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Drucilla · Jan 15, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Enjoy the cutscenes! No reason why you shouldn't and if you get one of the many many moaners in this game in your group griping about it, just do your best to ignore them...they'll grow up...someday.

Puritans Aid · Jan 15, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Drucilla

Enjoy the cutscenes! No reason why you shouldn't and if you get one of the many many moaners in this game in your group griping about it, just do your best to ignore them...they'll grow up...someday.

they may not. I was once in a group for a fire island mission in prophecies, and we were 2 hours into it, and our ranger was being a bit.. mean.. I guess and got angry that all the good drops were for others, and saying cheeky things, and we were all saying cheeky things back.. so she pulled a few groups on us.. and bam 2 hrs down the drain.. I saw her a year later and grouped with her, only to have an hr long clear fow attempt sabatageod by her.

Fun stuff.

*missing gw sadly badly waaaaaly*

Drucilla · Jan 15, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

they may not. I was once in a group for a fire island mission in prophecies, and we were 2 hours into it, and our ranger was being a bit.. mean.. I guess and got angry that all the good drops were for others, and saying cheeky things, and we were all saying cheeky things back.. so she pulled a few groups on us.. and bam 2 hrs down the drain.. I saw her a year later and grouped with her, only to have an hr long clear fow attempt sabatageod by her.

Fun stuff.

*missing gw sadly badly waaaaaly*

Sad but true I guess...sometimes once a jerk, always a jerk.

TheRaven · Jan 15, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Just ignore the jerks or if they are too out of line report them as someone suggested earlier.

Some tips:

1. If you are group leader, always kick the guy yelling "Go go go go go!!!! Come on Go now.!!!!! Click Enter Mission NOW!!!!!!!" 99% of the time, this fellow will cause a lot of trouble later. No, I don't care if he is the only Monk in your party. As a monk he's useless.

2. You mentioned having to stop for energy regen. Ok, all teams need to stop occasionally for energy regen, however you find that you are constantly pinging "my energy is 3 of 45" then there may be something wrong with your build. Learn the fine art of energy management. Your bar shouldn't have 8 spells that cost 15 and 25 energy.

3. Don't trade with other players until you familiarize yourself with the going rates for items and the common scams out there. (There's a list of scams on Wiki's front page)

4. Wiki? You haven't found that yet? Here ya go.

Wiki is your new best friend. gw.gamewikis.org

Puritans Aid · Jan 15, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

yeah sometimes it works that way :S

Have fun guys.. and watch out for the in build glitches in gw, you might slip in one, fall and break a bad habbit.

Calista Blackblood · Jan 15, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

we all payed hard earned cash for the series of games,nobody,no matter how much abuse they shout at you can deny you the right to view something which is generally relative to the game

the 1337 wannabe players yelling go go go or other abuse after cutscenes really should know better,they were watching every cutscene once themselves

@ OP. play as you want and watch what you want.you bought the game and earned that right

Shiney · Jan 15, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

People like the anonymity of the internet, and online games.
Basically, it gives them an excuse to act like jerks with no real reprucussions. They can justify it to themselves, since they don't see the person sitting behind the computer half a world away, only another random name in a virtual sea of people.
Anyway, cutting a short story shorter, on the internet, expect jerks.

Laraja · Jan 15, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Sounds like one of the jerks you encountered. Anyways just ignore the jerks or if they are too out of line report them as someone suggested earlier.

Some tips:

1. If you are group leader, always kick the guy yelling "Go go go go go!!!! Come on Go now.!!!!! Click Enter Mission NOW!!!!!!!" 99% of the time, this fellow will cause a lot of trouble later. No, I don't care if he is the only Monk in your party. As a monk he's useless.

2. You mentioned having to stop for energy regen. Ok, all teams need to stop occasionally for energy regen, however you find that you are constantly pinging "my energy is 3 of 45" then there may be something wrong with your build. Learn the fine art of energy management. Your bar shouldn't have 8 spells that cost 15 and 25 energy.

3. Don't trade with other players until you familiarize yourself with the going rates for items and the common scams out there. (There's a list of scams on Wiki's front page)

4. Wiki? You haven't found that yet? Here ya go.

Wiki is your new best friend. gw.gamewikis.org

Guild Wiki is definitely my friend. Being a somewhat experience gamer (just not in GW), I was reading Guild Wiki and Guild Guru even before I had fully installed Prophecies.

My build is okay, I guess. I'm still learning. I checked out the builds area of Guru and put together a build based on suggestions I saw. I'm playing a n/mo which I like better than my e/me. I'm not running out of energy, but I do like to exploit corpses and keep my little minion army at full capacity especially on missions with a lot of fighting. That spell takes a few seconds and it does the group good as the minions make great cannon fodder. I also don't ping constantly. If I'm low, I'll let my minions run in to fight while I regen.

The "GO GO GO" guy... I learned that one the hard way. Had to listen to him calling everyone 'idiots' and 'retards' for most the mission. And sure, I guess the ranger was being a bit of a retard, but when I explained to her what to do, she was very cooperative. Amazing what being nice can accomplish. Note: People don't listen to instructions when they begin with an insult. That's group leadership 101.

sterbenx2 · Jan 15, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Welcome to Guild Wars. There have been tons of threads about the general PUG nasties in GW. Reading your OP is just proof that nothing has changed in the past 2.5 years. If you like playing with people, join a good guild. There are tons of guilds recruiting here on Guru all the time. Check em out.

Watch the cuts.. I've had to watch them all over again recently since i've been helping my GF thru but really, they're not that long. People just need to chill and stop being so selfish.

BTW: go go go power ranger guys = my favs.. I love to boot em!

Cargan · Jan 15, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

1. If you are group leader, always kick the guy yelling "Go go go go go!!!! Come on Go now.!!!!! Click Enter Mission NOW!!!!!!!" 99% of the time, this fellow will cause a lot of trouble later. No, I don't care if he is the only Monk in your party. As a monk he's useless.

Great advice. In addition to number 1, also kick anyone with an immature name as it's only a reflection of their play style. In time you'll be able to tell who is going to enhance your play experience and who to avoid for the sake of your sanity just by reading the first thing they say.

Pugs can be a lot more fun than hench/heroes when you know how to filter out the bad ones.

Truth is, I swear when people don't skip long scenes, but I don't mention it in team chat. When it's a particularly long scene at the end of a mission and someone doesn't skip I just close GW and start it again. Gives me time to go make a cup of tea and have a chat with the merchant and be ready to meet up with them when they finally arrive at the outpost.

Navaros · Jan 15, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

What is it with people running off during missions and quests (I do Prophecies PvE).

So, is there any protocol I'm missing here or am I just unfortunate to deal with people who don't get it? I'm starting to dread cooperative missions. Just for the record, I have hooked up with a few good groups for missions/quests but it's becoming a rarity.

Yes there is a protocol you are missing, and you have stated your own problem. You are playing with other people. Playing with other people, unless you have specific knowledge that they are good players (Ie: you have played with them before) is setting yourself up for total disaster and aggravation. Almost all the players who knew what they were doing stopped playing with other random strangers the very moment that Nightfall & Heroes came out. Random strangers will always, always always be horrible players on the whole. So if you want to avoid that, boycott them and use Heroes/Henchmen or friends exclusively in your party. You'll have a much less aggravating time that way.

Avatar Of Virtue · Jan 15, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Just be patient this time through, then make a monk with unyeilding aura. Wait for someone to get out of line, intentionally let them die. Use unyeilding aura on them. They mouth off you remove enchantment and then /laugh. Then use it on him/her again. Rinse and repeat. This was priceless in my guild wars experience, that one (or many) dumb player who always runs in, I would wait till they got overzealous like the A.D.D. kid they are, then let them feel like they would have a chance at aggro, then kill said person who likes to not wait. Unyeilding aura=Anets noob control in pugs.

When people say 'plz skip', what that really means is "watch it entirely." In all honesty though, I feel sorry for the "new buyers" of guild wars, great game, poor experience because they are picking up so late that most of the enthusiasm and excitement is lost, you get stuck with the leftovers, rather than the main course.

Turtle222 · Jan 15, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Yeah unfortunately this game has been going on for 2+ years and you will have those guys/girls that just want to get it over with because they have rerolled their 100th character.

tmr819 · Jan 15, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

So, is there any protocol I'm missing here or am I just unfortunate to deal with people who don't get it? I'm starting to dread cooperative missions. Just for the record, I have hooked up with a few good groups for missions/quests but it's becoming a rarity.

I don't know about protocols, but in any type of PUG or even a group of friends that I am in, I usually let everyone know if I am new to a mission. That lets them know I am not familiar with how things work and so on. It is also gonna let them know that the cutscenes are new to me so they shouldn't be "surprised" if I don't skip them.

My best advice: find a good guild. The people in it will help you through missions and are not gonna rail on you for being new and/or watching cutscenes, and it's more fun than PUGs.

For me, I just run the missions on my own (with henches) or with guildies. If I'm desperate, I'll PUG (some PUGs are just fine, as you say), but don't be surprised if there are jerks in PUGs. It just happens, sadly.

SpeedyKQ · Jan 15, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Yes, watch all the cutscenes you want. The game is correctly designed such that anyone has the right to watch the scenes that they paid for. You have the right to understand the storyline your first time through the game - this matters much more than a couple minutes of lost time for people.

The sort of person who gets angry at this is getting the unhappiness that they deserve for being so selfish.

You might find it less stressful to deny that you were the one that didn't skip, but that part is up to you.

TheRaven · Jan 15, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Navaros

...Almost all the players who knew what they were doing stopped playing with other random strangers the very moment that Nightfall & Heroes came out. Random strangers will always, always always be horrible players on the whole...

Sorry, I have to disagree. I pug alot, almost everyday in fact. I enjoy teaming up with others.

Yep, i get some really bad groups, but I also get some good groups. Most of the time the team is average. Not too bad, not too good, but competent enough to complete the goal. It usually depends on the group leader.
- Is he experienced? Has he done the mission before?
- Does he know enough about the upcoming mission/quest to competently pick a good team or did he randomly invite everyone in town and goes with the first 7 people to join?
- What is the leader's character name? Don't expect "Captain Poopypants" to lead a good pug.
- Does he ask his team to ping their skill bars? Sometimes this is good. Sometimes bad. It depends on the difficulty of the area. Stay away from leaders that try to micro manage everyone's bar, but you should also be wary of leaders that don't care what you bring.

In the end, I don't mind the bad groups. Sure they can be frustrating at the time, but they sure do make for some entertaining stories later. Top 10 Signs You are in a Bad Pug

Aera Lure · Jan 15, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

What is it with people running off during missions and quests (I do Prophecies PvE).

Although I haven't been playing this game that long (a week before Christmas) I figure it's pretty much a given that when you're out questing or on a mission with other people that after a large skirmish you wait for people to regen before running off to the next skirmish. Am I wrong? I can understand that if you've been playing the game with a group of people with whom you're familiar that such a thing as checking in wouldn't be necessary, but when you're with a pug, shouldn't that be the thing to do? And as a side, the mini map is a very handy tool but very few people use it.

No you're not wrong. You just missed the good old days when PUGs were far, far more cordial than they are now. Most actually listened and took care on the things you mention - at least better than now. I used to love to PUG. You'd find the occasional failed group, or the occasional single annoying player that the rest of the group would help guide or bring in line, but since the release of heroes, those days are gone. I got 6 Protector titles in Factions and a number in Prophecies just playing in PUGs as I found it fun. Not sure I'd do that now, but alas, I join PUGs from time to time still as I miss the all-human parties and tire of hero maintenance.

Try joining a fairly sizable and active guild if you like all-human parties. You could keep trying PUGs, but they really arent what they used to be.

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

Another thing I wish people would remember: Not everyone playing this game is running their hundredth character through the missions and quests. There are people like me where this is new and cool and I want to see the mission cutscenes dammit! They're nicely done, it's fun to watch and it tells pieces of the story. Just be patient for Gods sake. I had a player during the Frostgate mission yell at me for watching the cutscenes and then proceeds for the rest of the mission to call me names and act like a misogynist jerk.

In this case, many people have seen most of the cutscenes too many times to count. When in a PUG I consider it polite to skip cutscenes. If its one I havent seen, I go back later with H/H in normal mode and see it myself if I want. Now I'm not one to give someone a hard time if they dont skip cutscenes, but you'll unfortunately find more of what you experienced if you dont skip cutscenes in a PUG. Again, its a different story in a guild.

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

So, is there any protocol I'm missing here or am I just unfortunate to deal with people who don't get it? I'm starting to dread cooperative missions. Just for the record, I have hooked up with a few good groups for missions/quests but it's becoming a rarity.

Most people in PUGs now "dont get it." Can point to many reasons. It wasnt always as bad as it is now though. Nothing quite like a PUG when it works well. Have fun. Dont dread co-op things, but try pulling together friends for things PUGs arent succeeding at, or try a guild.

Medic · Jan 15, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

When you meet someone nice, add them to your friends list, keep in touch with ppl you have enjoyed playing with, soon you will have a massive friends list and you wont have to pug ever again. I have many many ppl on my list (and in my guild too) that I have been playing with for almost three years now, and I have not pugged since 2006.

Nevin · Jan 15, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Don't admit to not wanting to skip it. MAKE EVERYONE GUESS!

Harmless · Jan 15, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Add people to your friends list that are willing to pug with you.

If you do a mission with several good players from the same guild and they are nice people, ask about their guild and perhaps join.

Post the times you play here at guru and see if you can find others that play at the same time and that are willing to do missions with you.